S: Some of the mechanism is probably a kind of cronyism sometimes, since they're cronies, the heads of big business and the people in government, and sometimes the business people literally are the
government people -- they wear both hats.
A lot of people in big business and government go to the same retreat, this place in Northern California...
NS: Bohemian Grove? Right.
JS: And they mingle there, Kissinger and the CEOs of major corporations and Reagan and the people from the New York Times and Time-Warnerit's realIy worrisome how much social life there is in common, between media, big business and government.